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OK, this sucks...

Hey, Uganda, haven't you had enough problems? This is evil. E-vil. Kill it, not your fellow man.

And for the US lawyers/judges/whatever out there, I don't suppose the actions of those Americans whom I gather from other articles on the subject were heavily involved in generating this disgrace qualify as illegally making foreign policy, but surely there's something they're guilty of, isn't there?


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Dec. 9th, 2009 05:45 am (UTC)
This is why I despise religion in most cases, and Christianity in particular. They preach one thing, and hypocritically do another, as the one person stated.

Those idiots who attended could be charged with hate crimes, as they support such appallingly ignorant legislation. If it were up to me, those idiots would be deported to the countries their ancestors came from.

I'd say deport all Christians, but I'd have protesters (and worse) in my area faster than you can say "Scientology is Fraud."
Dec. 9th, 2009 09:54 pm (UTC)
Oh, I assure you we aren't all like that. That's the lunatic fringe, the folks who usually make the most noise and are currently busily disassembling the Republican Party and scattering the bits in all directions. The main reason I POSTED that link was that I'm probably even more pissed at those guys than you are. That's MY God they're insulting so viciously.
Dec. 10th, 2009 05:02 am (UTC)
You're right; I spoke hastily.

But it's hard to distance oneself when you're all using the same book, and deriving different meanings there-from, isn't it?
Dec. 10th, 2009 11:11 pm (UTC)
In all walks of life there are intolerant and corrupt people who will pull from anything they can regardless of what it actually says. They do it for all manner of documents, not just religious ones. Just because someone else says they have the same beliefs as me doesn't make it true. Especially if they're only saying it to get power to do something truly awful.
Dec. 12th, 2009 08:07 am (UTC)
Be it also noted that with the Bible you've got the problem of dealing with translations unless you are familiar with Biblical Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek etc., and even then you're on the end of a multi-millennial game of telephone, complicated by many different cultures most of which are not available for modern scrutiny, making figuring context a tricky measure at best. The miracle is that it's still readable at all.
Dec. 12th, 2009 09:30 pm (UTC)
It still being pretty readable in some ways makes it a bit more suspicious actually. Since it's not only a game of telephone but a game of telephone where during different periods different people were trying to influence the masses in different ways. D:
Dec. 12th, 2009 11:14 pm (UTC)
True enough; fortunately we turn up such things as the Dead Sea Scrolls from time to time to give us a baseline. While at least the NT appears to have been written in a single century, of which we do have a fair amount of knowledge of custom and culture, and some fairly old texts. It's not perfect: there are words where there are English terms that mean the same thing denotationally, but I'll warrant there are connotations we're missing on a lot of it.
Dec. 10th, 2009 12:47 am (UTC)
Whatsoever you do...
I've heard about this. Ugly, ugly, ugly.

I hope the American self-proclaimed "Christians" who were involved in this recognise the sins they've committed, and will work twice as diligently to turn the hearts of the Ugandan government away from legislated murder and brutality against gay people as they did to encourage the thinking that lead to this law, but I don't feel too much hope for it.
Dec. 10th, 2009 04:55 am (UTC)
Re: Whatsoever you do...
Agreed. "By their fruits ye shall know them." Frankly Christianity works better when it's not in the highest repute. Sigh.....
Dec. 10th, 2009 11:12 pm (UTC)
Re: Whatsoever you do...
I don't think it's so much that power corrupts is that when they have power, people are more likely to do the corrupt things that they wanted to do before but couldn't get away with till they had said power.


Dec. 11th, 2009 02:56 am (UTC)
Re: Whatsoever you do...
Sooner or later (usually sooner) power positions tend to attract the very people who are least worthy of them. I swear, when I wrote this I thought I was talking about the specific case of small hobby groups, but over the years I've seen it extend all over the place.
Dec. 11th, 2009 07:49 pm (UTC)
Re: Whatsoever you do...
I took the time to read the Atenveldt mess, and I don't find myself too surprised, though I'm more than a little pissed.
"Never mind what's in Corpora; those hippies had no idea how the real world works" seems to be the prevailing attitude since 1980. Thanks Ron Raygun. Never mind the SCA was originally a way to escape the real world and all its suckage.
Anyone who doesn't like politics should avoid the SCA, IMO. It thrives on politics, and in that regard only, is completely, perfectly disappointingly accurate. I've seen it in Trimaris, so I'm not that surprised. I am disappointed. So much for chivalry.
Dec. 12th, 2009 07:55 am (UTC)
Re: Whatsoever you do...
Unless Ioseph's updated it again, the Atenveldt article is around ten years old - leastwise I believe I added that link at the same time I wrote the suggestion portion of the essay, and that was in the late '90s. What goes around, comes around. If I ever get involved with the Society, it will be with the Dark Horde, who generally show more sense than most. Besides, most of my Society friends are in it. :)

But note - this is not unique to the Society, Furry Fandom, or any other group I mention - it seems to be part of the basic nature of humanity. Bleah... :(
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